Six years after episode zero, Jesse is back with his original co-host (and baby brother) Rene for a 250th episode full of laughs. They recorded at 6 a.m. on a Sunday, with Rene hiding out at his office so his four kids, the "raptors," wouldn't crash the interview.
Rene explains why he stepped back from co-hosting, and he shares the whiteboard drawing behind his advice for new podcasters: a pipe full of mud, with clean water waiting behind it. They look back at the messy early days, including the conversation Jesse forgot to record. Rene admits what he was really doing with some of his questions ("let me get some air time"). He also tells how he ended up editing five podcasts at once and making the most money of his life, and why that taught him he isn't driven by money. Jesse explains why the guest list grew beyond tradespeople, and why he'll keep doing the show even though it costs him money. Along the way, Rene says Jesse is secretly showing guests the Dragon Scroll from Kung Fu Panda.
Then Rene throws Jesse a curveball on the closing question: What is the promise you are intended to be? The answer involves a goofy lizard named Rango.
00:36 250th Episode Reunion
02:44 Starting the Podcast Messy
07:02 Pipe Full of Mud Advice
10:58 Confidence and Questions
13:10 Stepping Back to Edit
15:44 Values Beyond Money
18:23 Career Growth and Connections
20:53 Big Guest Takeaways
23:45 Unicorns and Caring Leaders
24:56 Family Life and Editing Time
25:43 Family Support and Diapers
26:28 Podcast Guest Shift
28:30 Finding Guests Gets Hard
30:44 How to Ruin It
31:58 Why Keep Going
36:27 Same Format Debate
37:24 Dragon Scroll Metaphor
40:55 Future of the Show
42:07 The Promise Question
47:15 God Given Purpose
48:28 Becoming the Hero
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