July 31, 2025
Unlocking Your Authentic Voice with Jimmy Cannon
Overcoming Fear: Helping Leaders Speak with Confidence In this episode of the Learnings and Missteps podcast, host Jesse interviews Jimmy Cannon, a voice and public speaking coach from the UK. Jimmy shares his journey from being a performer and singer to becoming a specialist in helping leaders speak without fear. The conversation covers the importance of energy, finding sincerity, and overcoming performance anxiety. Jimmy discusses his work with clients across various industries, helping th...
Overcoming Fear: Helping Leaders Speak with Confidence
In this episode of the Learnings and Missteps podcast, host Jesse interviews Jimmy Cannon, a voice and public speaking coach from the UK. Jimmy shares his journey from being a performer and singer to becoming a specialist in helping leaders speak without fear. The conversation covers the importance of energy, finding sincerity, and overcoming performance anxiety. Jimmy discusses his work with clients across various industries, helping them find their confidence and improve their communication skills. Key topics include the impact of mindfulness techniques, the concept of psychological flexibility, and the importance of being sincere rather than just authentic. The episode also includes listener shoutouts and personal anecdotes from both Jesse and Jimmy about their experiences with public speaking and leadership.
00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage
00:43 Meet the Expert: Jimmy Cannon
04:15 Jimmy's Journey: From Performer to Coach
06:49 Understanding Performance Anxiety
09:06 Techniques to Overcome Speaking Fears
13:41 Real-Life Applications and Success Stories
27:47 The Power of Positive Thinking
28:11 Overcoming Life's Challenges
28:39 Embracing Opportunities
29:25 Building Confidence in Communication
30:55 Helping Professionals Speak Up
32:24 Voice and Confidence Connection
33:45 Success Stories and Client Transformations
39:35 Clarity, Precision, and Confidence
48:13 The Importance of Sincerity
55:16 Final Thoughts and Resources
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00:00 - Introduction to Jimmy Cannon
08:42 - Discovering Voice Coaching Through COVID
15:15 - Anxiety, Thoughts, and Psychological Flexibility
23:26 - The Power of Seeing Your True Worth
33:00 - From Voice Problems to Confidence Solutions
44:14 - Sincerity vs Authenticity in Communication
56:17 - Connecting with Jimmy and Final Thoughts
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Do I do that?
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I'm not going to do that.
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Just do it, because it's either going to go wrong or it's going to go right, and then, as you said before, we're going to learn from that and we're going to.
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Yes, that's the key thing.
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What is going on L&M family.
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Back again, and this time I'm going to.
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For some of you, I know I'm going to get you a little nervous, because we're going into the number one fear that most people have and if you're in the game of leadership and understand the value of influence, you're going to want to take notes, like if you're driving right now, go ahead and listen to it and then come back, because today we have a specialist in helping leaders speak without fear, coming to us all the way from the UK.
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His name is Mr Jimmy Cannon.
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He's a voice and public speaking coach and I was like stalking him, doing the internet stalking checked out his YouTube channel, which you need to go check out after this one, because he's got a lot of really interesting insights into how people speak and their tone and their energy and where their voice is coming from, like all kinds of really powerful stuff that I know will help you elevate your leadership game.
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But before that, if this is your first time here, this is the Learnings and Missteps podcast, where you get to see how real people just like you are sharing their gifts and talents to leave this world better than they found it.
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I'm Jesse, your selfish servant and we about to get to know Mr Jimmy Cannon.
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Mr Jimmy, how are you doing, sir?
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jesse, I'm very good.
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I'm just completely enthralled with your intro and your story and everything.
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It's fantastic.
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So I just want to be here and I'll tell you.
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What I didn't ask you is are we on video?
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Do I have to do my hair or is it just purely?
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you're beautiful, you're perfect.
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Okay, perfect for audio video.
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All of the above.
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That's fantastic.
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Well, it's lovely to be here.
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Thank you for the opportunity of course I just I didn't think about this beforehand until right now.
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I'm like wait a minute.
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And I'm glad I did it, because it would have come out different, like I'm doing this, all this, like doing my thing in front of an expert, in front of a professional that helps people.
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They're like oh so I'm glad.
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I was thinking about it before.
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Not at all, I think.
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Here's I mean, can I just?
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Can I start?
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Can I just take the stage a little bit here?
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I mean straight away.
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I'm thinking, as soon as you came on online, your energy is just absolutely superb and it's mesmerizing, is your energy.
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It's absolutely superb and that's the key.
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So one thing is finding the energy we spoke about this a little bit before we started recording, didn't we?
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And just finding the energy to reflect the passion that you have for what you do, and it's evident that you have that in spades.
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As we say, I'm connecting to your industry as well, somehow, but that's incredible and the fact that you're actually doing.
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Nobody's going to criticize you if you're doing what you should be doing, and it's obvious that you're doing what you should be doing.
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So I'm not thinking for a second.
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I'm not judging you for a second.
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I'm thinking this for a second.
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I'm not judging you for a second.
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I'm thinking this is a fantastic opportunity to be here and share my experience and my views and methods with your audience, and I'm grateful for that.
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So here I am.
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Recognize my energy and it sounds like yeah.
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Between 6 am and 9 am.
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Most of the time people are saying like Jesse, turn it down bro.
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That's too much.
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I can't help it, I'm having fun Now.
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So you're in the business of helping leaders speak without fear, which I totally get it, and I know it's a super impactful service you provide.
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So the first question that came to my head is how did you discover the secret sauce about speaking without fear?
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Well, ok, so so I was working with people before covid, before what I call the dark times in London.
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Yes, some would argue it's still the dark times, but it depends which side of the fence you're on, I suppose Political.
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Let's not talk about that.
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So before COVID, I was working with people one-to-one and I was helping them.
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Actually, I was doing a lot of performing and I'm a singer by trade, if you like and I was doing lots of singing and performing.
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Obviously, covid hit All the theat singer by trade, if you like and I was doing lots of singing and performing.
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Obviously, covid hit, no, all the theaters in london.
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Everything shut down and, yeah, that's it.
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Bang.
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And I was incredibly lucky that my wife is still a teacher and she was getting some money coming in and we all suffered quite all of us, everybody in the world suffered, obviously, but you know particularly artists and performers because they had no way to perform and they couldn't do anything.
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So I I was also working with people one to one, but I was helping them project their voice, give that, give it change the variety of their tone.
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I actually helped them sustain and maintain their voice for longer, which was something that I was doing before COVID, as well as teaching singing.
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So I took my singing experience and skills, I suppose, into speaking.
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So in COVID I decided to do a master's in vocal pedagogy, because that was, I had loads of time, what else are you going to do?
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And so I ended up doing a master's.
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I ended up, a lot of people were coming to me.
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I remember having one client who came to me with.
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He said I saw I get like a, like a swallowing feeling in the throat.
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I thought this is fascinating.
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I had my first assignment was given to me.
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The brief was this is an academic ma that I did in voice pedagogy and I was, even though we learned quite a lot about the voice and the physiology of the voice etc.
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Which was one of the reasons that I did it, because I wanted to know more about the voice.
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I wasn't that.
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I mean you've got a lot of what we call geeks over here.
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I mean I don't know if that's a general, generalized word.
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So lots of geeky kind of people on this MA and I'm a bit of a geek, but not that much of a geek, and I wasn't that interested in the cricothroid muscle which is contracting on the dysphonial muscle, so I wasn't so interested in that.
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What I thought, right, I'm going to do a bit of research into this swallowing thing that was going on.
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So, looking back sorry, looking back I the research I did was this is this thing is called globus pharyngeus.
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So this is a thing that a condition that some people few, very few people have where they feel that they need to keep, they need to swallow, and it it comes from Roman times actually, where it was a sign of inverted commas madness.
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So people, if you had this feeling of swallowing, they would think you were just a madman in the village.
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So I think times haven't changed much.
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So one of my clients had this feeling and I did a bit of research into it and what it is is it's a somatic or physiological response to anxiety.
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So we all have right.
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So when we feel nervous, we rush our speech, our heart rate increases, we have sweaty palms, we start there's lots of physical stuff, the vocal tract, the larynx or the vocal tract, contracts and tightens and you get a dry throat, lots of symptoms like that that you feel.
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So that was really interesting to me and my mentor said to me why don't you, why don't you go down the performance anxiety and then I thought, oh, and then I found about, I found out about public speaking anxiety and what, how you introduced at the beginning.
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It is, I still think, apparently number three in the top feared things in the states.
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So I studied performance anxiety and straight into that, and then branched into public speaking anxiety and I ended up doing my masters and then afterwards studying behavioral therapy and specifically, exceptions and commitment therapy, because most of my clients I don't know why, but most of my clients and still do come to me with I think I've got a weak voice, I think I've got a quiet voice.
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I don't speak up.
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I can't speak.
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I don't feel like I can speak up.
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This isn't your issue, by the way, jesse.
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You, it's not nothing.
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I can't help you with anything, with anything.
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You know, I think you're fine, I think you're gonna be okay, yeah, so, um, so that's what I do, that's where I am, and here I am and now and I had to get this we all have to learn how to do everything online.
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I had to learn about zoom, still learning about zoom and everything else.
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I had to put a website together, and so so I did that, I studied that and this is what I help people do.
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I help people manage their anxiety through mindfulness techniques and I help them improve the quality of their voice.
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To feel and sound more confident in the moment is what I do, which.
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I absolutely love doing.
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I'm going to stop talking, shall I stop talking now.
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You're good, oh man, so much, and I'm gonna dive in multiple places.
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What you just said was in the moment right, that's what I heard you from speaking anxiety and deal with all the things in the moment, which is a nuance that I want to explore.
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Yeah, um, that will be important for our listeners, because when I'm hearing a coach, a voice coach or speaking coach, I'm thinking you're going to help me understand what to do with my hands when I'm talking and how to posture.
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We're going to do the L&M family member shout out and this one comes from the tick tock this.
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I love his name, crack pack.
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Thank you, crack Pack, for leaving this comment.
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I love his name, crack Pack.
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Thank you, crack Pack, for leaving this comment.
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He said dude, you got really good leadership tips, especially for the construction industry that one.
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But the whole point is when you get a chance or feel the urge to leave a comment, send a DM, leave a review, do a share, all of the things.
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I super, super appreciate it and it gives me the opportunity to shout you out again in the future, like that's what first comes to mind.
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But what you're saying is like sure, and in the moment, so in your stuff, like what was it?
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I'm sure you're doing research, you got to interact with a bunch of people and maybe you saw some common themes of like, oh there's, this is something that a lot of people struggle with.
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What was it?
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That like not necessarily seeing the problem, what helped you feel good and say that's what I really want to help people with.
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That's a great question.
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I love that, and so give me a couple of seconds to process that I love.
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This is what I love.
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I love helping people find their true.
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This is going to sound really hippie, and can I go down that road?
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Come on, bring it, bring it.
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I love helping people find their true selves, and find their true selves in that they appreciate what they can do and what they have done and their skills and their experience.
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So that is the main thing and I find, jesse, that I find that I'm yes, I can help you with the voice, I can give you some techniques and some skills to manage the anxiety, but what actually helps is us doing some coaching together, coaching them to really appreciate their worth.
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That's actually, if I think about it, that's what I really love doing is finding their why.
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I suppose, to quote Simon Sinek their purpose in life, what their values are, and it stems from acceptance and commitment therapy.
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But really it's about what is your passion?
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What do you love doing?
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Why are you doing what you're doing?
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And if you can keep going on that path, then nothing should stop you from doing what you love doing.
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The thing that is stopping you isn't real.
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This is like for me, it's like this is a yeah, this is a like a explosion when I found this out, which is that our emotions and our thoughts or feelings are the same thing.
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They are just feelings, our thoughts, our thoughts.
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They are, and our feelings are feelings.
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They are nothing else and we are fused.
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So part of acceptance, commitment therapy, is like psychological flexibility.
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So flexibility, so it's being able to in any moment realize that I don't have to react to that emotion.
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I don't have to, I can acknowledge it, and this is where the acceptance comes in.
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I can acknowledge it, see that it's there, but I don't have to surrender to it, and that's really vital.
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So when people say to me I've got the thought that if I speak up in a meeting, if I put my hand up and speak up, then I'm going to be judged, I'm going to feel judged, I'm going to be judged.
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There's a lot of people in the room, they're staring at me and that's just a feeling, yes, and you can control that.
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And that's what we I love working with people on that because it's quite and it's a quick.
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It's a quick switch, it's a mindset switch that literally the next day not all the time, but I will often get somebody saying to me or sending me a video or an email saying Jimmy, I had that conversation with a guy that I can't stand speaking to because he's a, he's a something, and he's nepotistic or he's arrogant or whatever it might be.
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I I just don't.
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I don't click with him at all, but I had a conversation.
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It went really well.
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I controlled the environment that we're in, I controlled the conversation.
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I asked the right questions and I got the answers that I needed and we moved on.
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That was purely because he made that switch in his head, which I just love that.
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Oh, my goodness, I can imagine.
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So it seems to me like you're getting a whole lot of fulfillment from the work that you do now, absolutely Wow.
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Absolutely understanding what brought me fulfillment, that the doors blew wide open.
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Before that it was always hard.
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Now you you said it's almost, it's almost like a switch right, and I see this, I imagine I see this in the States and I want to see you see that over there on your side.
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I haven't met a single person, except for maybe super arrogant people like me.
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They completely understand how much value that they have.
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Almost everybody that I meet undervalues the life experience, the energy, the lessons that they've learned, severely undervalue what they just bring to the table transferable value.
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Do you see the same?
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thing over there all the time.
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All the time I do and this is really interesting because we all have a different experience and something that I'm learning to do I mean these, quite frankly, in these podcasts and my, my social media is to tell my story, and I thought quite recently actually probably six months ago that I don't, didn't really have a story.
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I I I right right I still, in a way, I still think I don't have a story because I don't feel that I've suffered particularly, but it's all relative, isn't it?
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I have suffered, but I've also gained, and we've all got the roller coaster of life.
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We've all gone through the roller coaster of life and we, you and I, were speaking about.
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Wouldn't it be great to be able to start at the beginning, where we are now?
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With the knowledge, can you imagine?
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Can you imagine I tell this to my daughter, if you would just listen to me, because I know so much more than you could possibly imagine, but of course she's 11, and she doesn't listen to me.
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And she wants to do her own thing.
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Right, she's never gonna listen to me.
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She won't, she won't.
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We gotta have the learning scars.
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Yeah, friend of mine said like it's the learning scars that you need, like, sure, the knowledge and information, yeah, but without the scar it doesn't mean anything, like you know, damn it, you're right, exactly, exactly, okay.
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So I want to do some time traveling, sure, before COVID hit and like COVID totally transformed everything for me.
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Similarly to you, like I was an internal consultant for a large construction firm here in the States, yep, and I was like I ain't doing those teams calls and zoom crap, like we need to be in person.
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It's the only way to do it.
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And then COVID hit.
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They said you need to work from home and figure out how to do your job virtually like oh my goodness.
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And that was the catalyst for me starting this podcast right, I needed an yeah now and then, like the rest is, history totally shifted my career, like in my, my quality of life.
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Even so, you were down, what I understood down about your performer, singer you're the voice coach at the time.
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Yeah, and kovid hit.
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You said, okay, I need to go, I'm going to do something, let me go learn, let me get masters, yeah, and that kind of opened up another path.
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And then there was another little sidestep from there and then so like maybe I going to ask this clearly Was that planned?
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Like Ovid was not, but from going to get your master's to the business you do now, yeah, no, I remember now I did my master's.
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What's the word?
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I delayed I would do.
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I delayed my doing the master's it because the code come up and I originally initially did it before I started in 2018 and I did it because I had I got offered a job teaching at a university, westminster university in london, teaching.
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I was a voice for westminster university and I said to my and I'm quite being quite frank with you all the time, but I've got to be very frank with you and say that I was self-taught as a musician, as a singer, and I mean I had some singing lessons but I didn't know really what the hell I was doing.
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I was just, you know, I ended up going to some singing lessons at the age of 28.
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And because one of my, a friend of mine, who's a great piano player and producer, said Jimmy, look, I think you're straining your voice, I think you need to do, you need to get some singing lessons.
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And I took that quite personally and went and got some singing lessons, right, but I didn't know anything really about the voice how to use the abdominal muscles, how to create sublateral pressure, how to use the abdominal muscles had to create sub little pressure, how to create different resonances, how to lower my larynx or keep my larynx flexible.
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When I wanted to sing high in chest voice, I had no idea what chest voice, head voice, full test, none of that had no idea, absolutely no idea.
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So I was just singing.
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What I did was which I I used to do a lot, and I'm very good at doing it, I must say, because, which is this?
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I used to mimic singers, right, so I can sound like certain singers, and I still do the same thing when I'm coaching and I'm doing voice coaching, because a lot of people say oh, I want to sound like this singer, this speaker.
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I can't necessarily sound like them.
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I can't sound like obama.
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I wish I could, but, for instance, or, or I can do trump, maybe you know, but um, yeah, or yeah, so, but I can.
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What I can do is I can analyze what they do I'm kind of going to teach it but I can analyze what they do in their voice, or how they do it and how they create that, that delivery.
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It's not just about the sound of their voice, but it's also how they use the pace and the pause and their total qualities, etc.
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So I didn't.
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I started doing the ma because I wanted to learn more about the physiology of the voice, but then covid hit and I delayed it for a year and I ended up working with clients online that were as I said.
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I had a client come to me as a and he had problems with his throat, so I just went down that kind of rabbit hole of research and I ended up doing performance anxiety and I had no idea there was performance anxiety or public speaking anxiety.
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Yes, isn't that crazy.
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I just realized that actually.
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Yeah, I think, and there's another side of the coin, right Like when I'm interacting with people that are self-proclaimed as shy people, I think they're the most interesting creatures in the universe.
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Because I don't understand it.
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Now, here's one of those lessons for the 11-year-olds out there that you're not going to listen to.
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If you get extremely curious about a shy person and start asking them a bunch of questions, you're not going to get any answers because they're shy, like it's.
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They have a response.
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So I don't understand that.
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And so, like the performance anxiety, I don't understand it.
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It's like, what do you mean?
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Like attention in front of a thousand people?
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Hell, what do I got to do?
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I'm in.
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I don't understand, like how it would be less than amazing.
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The other side of that coin is what's obvious to me is not obvious to others, and so I'm saying that yeah because, yeah, does it land like that?
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when you're working with people, it's clear as day how impactful they are, what, what their message, where it comes from, and how transformational it can be.
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For others, you can see it and it's obvious to you, but for them it's like the furthest thing from their consciousness, and so being able to see that and showing them what you see sounds like that's a part of your work.
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Yeah, Very much.
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The interesting thing is, you wouldn't believe it, but I am actually introvert.
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So so I really hate social situations.
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I hate going to parties.
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I hate meeting people.
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I'm not please.
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If you invite me to a party, I'll come.
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I'm sure I'd love to come to your parties.
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I'm sure they're a guest, but um no, so I.
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I.
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I'm sure they're a gas, but um no, so I, I but so.
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But my performance is definitely a mark I put on show, so I'm a professional as in I'm putting on.
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I wouldn't say I'm so that I'm very much aware of the theatrical side of things when you're putting on a show now.
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So I'm either working with people that they're experts in something but but they might have anxiety to.
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So OK, let me give you an idea.
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Your industry is the construction industry, so that's your niche, the audience you speak to, so I do.
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I have a client at the moment who is in that industry.
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He's in Melbourne in Australia and he is fine when he's on the job, he's fine.
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He is fine when he's on the job, he's fine.
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